(Rev it up with the Turbo Pack. It'll become the doorway you need to get the Crush you've always wanted.)The official announcement:
Starting in Fall 2009, we're releasing the revved up Turbo Packs to an official tournament location near you! But we need your help: we want you to help us pick the cards!
Keep in mind that Turbo Packs aren't just for experienced Duelists, they're to help new Duelists tune up their first Decks, too. So think about other players in your community, and which cards they could use.
Vote for up to 6 Rare Cards and up to 9 Common Cards from the lists on the next pages. Then head to your local tournament store later this year to see if your picks made it into the all-new Turbo Packs!
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Taking the survey
As mentioned before, we're being invited to vote on the future of the game and anyone who refuses to vote has no excuse for complaining about it.
Take the Survery here.
(Update: Survey is now Closed)
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Voting on the Rares
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Voting on the Commons
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Analysis
There has been outrage by the yugioh community for the crimes that UDE committed.
Thousands of players wanted to enter the yugioh fold but were unable to just because of the cost to make a deck.
Konami has started addressing that outrage and doing what it does in the OCG; lowering card values. It's re-releasing cards that have very high values and it's bringing them back as lower rarities.
Now some people may think they have doctorates in finance and feel Konami is doing economic suicide but I ask them to humble themselves before a multimillion dollar giant.
They know what they're doing and what they're doing is getting more people to play and appeasing their already disgruntled player base who don't want to pay 100 dollars for a dark armed or 1,000 dollars for a Gold Sarc.
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Some of the other frustrated voices being answered by Konami:
1) To all who have voted for crush card, burdens, and the other expensive cards to become easier to get for your fellow duelists; you all truly are REAL duelists. Those who disagree and are complaining that its retarded to be distributing these cards so that many more people can get them: are selfish idiots who think there English decks are special because they can shelf out for 200 dollar crushes and 40 dollar solemns. In Ocg, money realtivley does not matter to who wins; its all about strategy. Hence why crush card and solemns in ocg are 5 dollars each, and death caliburs and dark end dragons are 15 each. Those who believe that this game is reserved to those "grown ups" who can afford the "pro" decks are pure idiots. Ive wrecked thousand dollar tournament qualifying english decks with my ocg decks, and allt hey can do is watch in amazement of the stragies people like me can pull off who arnt hindered by the hindrance of pricey cards. I hope when all tcg cards finally become affordable so that anyone can get them, that the tcg game will see newer crazier strategies simply that the ocg meta is accustomed to weekly. Seriously guys, yugioh isnt about money. Its all about strategy, be it from a kid to an adult, this game is about creativity, not the limitations of the dollar.
2) I voted for CCV,I've been trying to get one for years. But no one will trade it. If they do,they ask for all most every card i have! You don't sale your car door,tires and engine,for a bumper! And if ask for money.....well you know. I'm also trying to get DAD as well. I want it so i can finsh my super kick ass CyberDark Dragon Deck,I've been working on for like almost a year and a half. I can't find one and one i know would give it up!! A toy store was going out of busness and everything was 70 to 80% off. i get over 250 packs of Phantom Darkness,NO DARK ARMED DRAGON!!!! It's that hard to get!!
3) Thats why i play Ocg and not tcg. My other OCG friend built a cyber dark deck that uses crush and dark armed and some other would be hard to get cards, its a fun and crazy deck. This is an example of why TCG needs to learn that the game is meant to be fun and strategic, not pricey and one sided. The most expensive cards in Japanese are like 80-50 doallars, and simply because there holos; they are non staple too.
4) My bet is that everyone will choose CCV except for the people who own a CCV. I own 2 right now and I don't want to see the price drop from 200 ish to like 5 bucks. Sorry to everyone who doesn't have one, but it would just suck to lose that much value in cards because of this pack.
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5) Sorry to say this, but that's kind of selfish.
Take note into other players, people who have the mindset in this game but not the money. Think about the economy, the recession we're in. Think about that.
You honestly want to keep your value? Fine. Vote for CCV so it comes out, and BEFORE it drops, sell it for the couple hundred bucks. Then go buy more when it's cheaper.
Especially if you see in tournaments, CCV is one of those cards that is very hard to fight against. So the people that can't afford it are to be left out and lose? That's taking the game away from skill and into a rich/poor battle royale. Which I don't think the game is or should be.
Just saying. Be thankful, grateful, and giving that you have a CCV when most don't. Don't be arrogant and selfish.
6) Why would u spend 200$ on a card that has a chance of being reprinted?? Tons of cards are reprinted..........you never spend that much money on a card
7) An OCG Crush Card is worth less than USD1
8) CCV isn't broken on its own, it's mainly the price. Only people with the money to shell out for it can afford it, meaning THOSE are the people that will abuse it more, and get more wins. By making it available to everyone, including people with less money, it isn't as one-sided anymore, and becomes more balanced.
9) CCV has been a common in a Japanese structure deck and also been in Japan basically since the game started and they haven't banned it (plus they manage our ban list). The reason why it was such a problem last list was the draw engine (3 Allure and 3 D-Draw). The only times this card is really broken is first turn or if your oppenent overcommits (thus why allure and d-draw were semi-ed.
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Final Thoughts
Making your customers more happy in business is always a good thing.
Finally, for those who still feel we shouldn't make expensive cards cheaper and think this is economic suicide: if you haven't taken any College or University level economics classes then why do you feel that your predictions would have any merit?
Why are your predictions more correct than Konami's, a highly successful International Corporation?
If the above arguments don't convince the vast majority of yugioh players to make Crush Card virus a rare, than nothing will.
We'll see the results in Fall and hopefully Crush will be in the pack.
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August 9th,
UPDATE: Pack is to be released on August 15th. It's a free pack at all official tournaments and is handed out as a participation prize.
- 9 Commons
- 6 Rares
- 4 Super Rares
- 1 Ultra Rare
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August 18th
Update:
Turbo Pack Spoiler
Ultimate Rare
TU01-EN000 Judgment Dragon
Ultra Rare
TU01-EN001 Doomcaliber Knight
Super Rare
TU01-EN002 Garoth, Lightsworn Warrior
TU01-EN003 Krebons
TU01-EN004 Gladiator Beast Samnite
TU01-EN005 Black Whirlwind
Rare
TU01-EN006 Crush Card Virus
TU01-EN007 Satellite Cannon
TU01-EN008 Rescue Cat
TU01-EN009 Grandmaster of the Six Samurais
TU01-EN010 Trade-In
TU01-EN011 Armageddon Knight
Common
TU01-EN012 Book of Moon
TU01-EN013 Terraforming
TU01-EN014 Hand Destruction
TU01-EN015 Gladiator Beast Murmillo
TU01-EN016 Gladiator Beast Bestiari
TU01-EN017 Gladiator Beast Laquari
TU01-EN018 Golden Flying Fish
TU01-EN019 Ryko, Lightsworn Hunter
TU01-EN020 D.D.R. - Different Dimension Reincarnation
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15 comments:
Hmm, I'm pretty glad they're making those expensive cards much cheaper now. It lets those who have big potential but small wallets to have a go at creating competitive decks. If you want a rare card to show off, you can take the long route and spend loads of money and spend loads of time at tournaments. But if you just want a chance at winning, you can just get a cheaper, less flashy version.
My only real concern is that people'll start overusing these cards.
It took me a while to get a dad
I had to trade my entire plant deck to get one
But I really wouldn't mind dad being reprinted as long as konami reprints the other money cards like ccv, sacorphagus, solemn, and dark end dragon (gld3?)
First off, the card should be banned because it's way too powerful for its activation requirement to balance it out, but that's beside the point.
The point I'll make is that Konami, while pleasing the "budget" players in the game, at the same time turns away the competitive players that are dedicated enough to go after a CCV. It's been happening for quite some time now, with cards like Heraklinos, Dark Armed, and Necroface. This is just another move by Konami to try and get more casual players at the expense of dedicated ones.
Don't get me wrong, I'm all for a reprint of Crush, but they shouldn't be reprinting ti as a silver rare. Make it a super, or even an ultra for looks, so that it's still REASONABLY hard to get. That lets people have actual chances of pulling it, while throwing people who already have Crush a bone by letting the card retain some of its value.
Since when did spending exorbitant amounts of cash on Yugioh make you a competitive player?
Some of us spend modest amounts and still win very competitively.
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You should change your term from competitive to those willing to sacrifice large amounts of real world happiness.
Not all of us are willing to do that, because a card is just simply a card, but 200 dollars is not simply 200 dollars. 200 dollars can become many things, while a card always remains that same card.
Not all of us are willing to do that, because a card is just simply a card, but 200 dollars is not simply 200 dollars. 200 dollars can become many things, while a card always remains that same card.
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...and if you wanted your $200 back, you could always sell the CCV and buy whatever else you wanted.
Tsog: Gold Sarco IS already getting reprinted.
As usual, this article is ranting, incoherent, and poorly structured to the point of complete illegibility. And of course, my post will be deleted quickly both for this criticism and because I'm in the cheery, compromising demographic that owned several Crushes and still wants to see it mass-distributed.
This issue isn't black and white, as this shoddily-constructed piece of writing would have people believe. Alot of people who own Crushes and who happily shelled out the cash for them, are happy to see everybody else get to use it too, if only because mass distribution means the card can finally be banned.
The card should be banned regardless of it's degree of release. That should never, EVER, have anything to do with whether or not a card should be banned.
Reply to the person who thinks his post will be deleted.
First off, why would i ever delete the sheer amount of ignorance you typed there?
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You believe:
1) My article is "incoherent" and "illegible".
You gave no examples of the above, and from your tone it seems you just hate the site for no apparent reason. Just continue making false statements and pretend we'll suddenly believe them. That stopped working when Bush left office.
Btw how can the article be illegible? It's typed... and you read it on a web site.
I'd have to hand write it horribly on a napkin for you not to be able to read it. If text on a web site isn't legible for you, I'd like to see your hand writing.
What makes more sense is you probably just misused the word trying to act smarter than you are. Good Job. :)
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You also believe:
2) A lot of Crush Card owners are happy Crush is being Mass printed so that they can see the card banned.
So people who spent 200 plus dollars on a card want it banned so they can lose their investment and finally play the game without a card they themselves spent $200 buying?
That's idiotic because it has already been proven wrong by history.
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A history lesson for you:
The OCG has had the Crush Card for YEARS(Almost a Decade). They obtained it in 2 STRUCTURE decks and a Premium pack. Not to mention a number of other easy ways to get it like purchasing a game.
Yet even though they've had this card, FOR YEARS, they have never banned it.
So your assumption that it's mass production will get it banned, has been proven wrong.
All of your assumptions and your attacks were ill prepared and ignorant.
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The sad thing is why am I actually trying to give anything you said any merit at all?
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People who bought a crush are really happy it's being mass produced.... because it'll get automatically banned?
Yea... and the Easter bunny exists as well.
Grow up, make well formed arguments that are supported, and learn what the word "illegible" means.
Actually, I think that guy was referring to the fact that it's really unclear which reality you subscribe to, if any. I mean, you claimed that CCV is only broken because it's an expensive card to obtain, which is about as untrue as you can get. You say it's only truly devastating on the first turn or after someone over commits... but it hits cards in hand anyways and lets you SEE everything that's left!
As for your post being incoherent... well, there's the fact that point 2 claims that you've been trying to get CCV for years unsuccessfully and later one that says you've got two! Are those supposed to be things that other people have said? Because you presented them in the exact same way that you present everything else: in bullet points with various lines separating paragraphs. It's impossible to tell where one person's thought ends and another begins. Get a new format, use names of the people you quote if you indeed quote them, and please, when you analyze something, do it right. Don't just sensationalize.
As for your comments to the other guy above... he's actually right. Mass release is the first step to a broken card being banned. Remember Cyber-Stein? As for people who shelled out for it being happy... well, if you actually realized how damaging CCV is to the game, you'd realize that *everyone* wants it banned. Sure, people are more than willing to use their $200 investment to gain a huge advantage over the people who haven't got it, but that doesn't mean they have to like it. I sure don't.
CCV is one of the most creativity hampering cards ever created. Surely you can at least see that. Just because it combos well with Cyberdarks doesn't mean that it's going to diversify squat. The way to create more competitive decks isn't to give everyone a Crush Card Virus. That way lies madness and people winning for no good reason even more than they do now.
The reason CCV was never banned is because Konami controls the banlist. CCV, Reborn, Brain Control, DAD, JD, Card of Safe, Strike Fighter, Limiter, Cyber Twin, and Chimeratech should all be banned, but Konami controls the banlist.
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Konami isn't stupid. They keep those cards around because they aren't inherently broken; in other words, by themselves they're mediocre at best. These cards fall along the lines that they're only as broken as the Decks they're in. While CCV has a low cost for a potentially game-breaking effect, it's basically a guessing game. 9 times out of 10, if someone CCVs me, I don't get hit, and I run BW. That's saying something.
"Konami isn't stupid. They keep those cards around because they aren't inherently broken; in other words, by themselves they're mediocre at best. These cards fall along the lines that they're only as broken as the Decks they're in. While CCV has a low cost for a potentially game-breaking effect, it's basically a guessing game. 9 times out of 10, if someone CCVs me, I don't get hit, and I run BW. That's saying something."
Crush Card Virus is a card with a pathetically easy activation requirement and is chainable to any sort of pressure whatsoever. In return, you get a DARK monster in your graveyard (often useful), and get to wipe out any strong monster(s) your opponent comes across. This can easily give you a +2 or +3, as well as knowledge of their entire hand. I say it's worse than Raigeki and Delinquent. Get hit with Raigeki? Still got your hand. Get Duo-d? Still got your field. CCV hits everything and leaves you with nothing but weaklings.
Effect: Amazing
Activation: Easy
Verdict: BROKEN
Monster Reborn is a card that Konami just likes to keep legal because they want some sort of "generic revival" card in the game. This gets you any monster you want (apart from nomis) and doesn't take up your Normal Summon. It's one of those "stick into every damn deck" cards that provides an unfair advantage to the player that draws it first. It's like Pot of Greed, even though it's technically a 1:1. However, it's dangerous and should be banned.
Effect: Gamebreaking
Activation: No cost
Verdict: BROKEN
Barin Control is officially Change of Heart. It gets you a free monster (800 LP is nothing) and you can do whatever the hell you want with it. Attack, tribute, synchro, whatever. With the fall of setting monsters, taking away an opponent's monster and using it is an automatic +1 for the turn, and it lets you combo into other stuff as you please. It's dangerous enough to turn the tide of any duel.
Effect: Amazing
Activation: Easy
Verdict: BROKEN
Dark Armed Dragon...really needs no explaining. He's an automatic +3 when uncountered, and will attack for 2800 damage without wasting your Normal Summon. Even if you say you can Solemn him, Oppress him, or Divine Wrath him, remember that those cards will also stop a certain Chaos Emperor Dragon. Doesn't make the card any less broken. Listing counters does nothing; you have to evaluate an uncountered card.
Effect: Amazing
Activation: Easy
Verdict: BROKEN
Judgment Dragon...again, when uncountered, you pay 1000 LP to kill every other card on the field. Remember how Demise was really good back in the day? JD has half the cost and more ATK power. Pay 1000, summon, hit for 3000+? Yes plz. Oh, and you can nuke as much as you want. It's the second-most broken monster in the game right now.
Effect: Godly
Activation: Almost none
Verdict: BROKEN
Card of Safe Return wouldn't be as bad if it was a once per turn thing. At least there wouldn't be any loops existing. CoSR is the sole reason that loops like Gigaplant, Lumina, and Manticore even exist, and those aren't helping the game at all. A card that gives you massive advantage and lets you use revival for no cost at all cannot be considered balanced. With all the ways to summon from the graveyard, this card can be splashed into almost any deck and give you an overall +1 for using it just twice.
Effect: Amazing
Activation: No cost
Verdict: BROKEN
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Limiter Removal, Cyber Twin Dragon, and Chimeratech Overdragon are nothing more than OTK cards and we all know it. Get rid of these and Future Fusion and Overload Fusion can go to 3, along with Metamophosis.
Finally, Dark Strike Fighter is the new Ring of Destruction, except on crack. He can burn for an unlimited amount of damage and turns every monster you control into a giant threat, in addition to the ATK and effect(s) they have. If you have DSF and a 1600 4-star (spent Breaker?), you can attack for 4200 and launch for 2200. No card in the game should be able to inflict 6400 damage in one turn. The Dark Creator only fuels his fire. Launch everything, then bring it back with TDC and do another 3000. Plus, you can make DSF out of any monsters you want! It's not even exclusive to machines, and doesn't even have to attack!It's the most broken monster in the game right now, and one of the most broken in the history of the game. Combining 2600 ATK with huge burn effects at no real cost is bad ygos.
Effect: Best in the game
Activation: Add to 7
Verdict: BROKEN
Happy now? Or do you want me to link to even more discussions on said cards? oh, and I'd love to see you win without:
Sirocco
Shura
Bora
Elphin
Armor Master
Armed Wing
DSF
Allure
At the risk of getting flamed, I'll give my opinion on the debate here.
I think Konami has a valid reason for taking cards like Monster Reborn off the ban list once in a while.
Firstly, they're widely available. I've got three Monster Reborns, and I have a tiny budget.
Secondly, if they're that great and if they're this widely available, what's the harm in letting it off the ban list once in a while? Everybody gets to use it, and the broken effect can lead to some interesting twists in a duel.
Thirdly, it is a bit of a pity that Konami should print cards to be used for a while and then banned as the game develops. They're only taking one broken card off the ban list once in a while. It adds a bit of spice to the game, knowing that the card's there and has the potential to turn the entire game around.
I personally like it when some of these old cards get a chance to be used in an advanced format deck.
I personally like it when the banlist isn't promoting easy OTKs and lucksacking into broken "win the game" cards.
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