Comments on UniMetagame- The Unique Metagame: Black List / Support list April 2009

I ran into this site a few days ago and was rather...

2009-06-27T23:15:57.156-07:00

I ran into this site a few days ago and was rather surprised. Since Metagame bit the dust I really can't find a site that goes and talks about decks and techs as well as different strategies in the game. When I found this site I thought I finally found a good place to hang . . . until I read this article about the black list.

Don't get me wrong. I hate LS and find the deck to be mindless. There is no skill in search, search, mill, mill, drop judgment and win. I don't like seeing good players being beaten by bad players who just get lucky with LS. That said, I STILL think the choice of such a black list is stupid. Yes, LS is gay, but your counter arguements are not presented in a respectful manner. All you do is complain that they are top tier and have no room for innovation. There is NEVER a point where a deck has no innovation. Players should be looking, and encouraged to find new cards, old and new, to put in decks to try things out and find new and interesting combos that work with existing decks. That's what it is to be innovated. Yes, your arguement with being a follower makes sense, but the attitude presented in this article is completely unprofessional and just makes you out to be a ignorant fool. I myself play zombie . . . Light Zombie with skill drain. I don't see that on your list, so don't rip on me for playing a black listed deck.

Anyway, I suggest instead of black listing decks, you should start digging up interesting techs and new insight to arlready existing decks and decks that are just missing that ONE card to break the deck wide open. Yes, be innovated, strive for something different; create the next big deck, but before that; seriously reconsider the way you choose to vocalize your points and arguments.

all i can say is i hate GB's and the people th...

2009-06-26T17:03:00.199-07:00

all i can say is i hate GB's and the people that use them i hat more in my opinion gb's and lightsworn are copycat decks that people make or buy then use to just win not have fun but not to sound like a hypocrit i own a lightsworn deck i have fun using it also have blackwings and a plant deck that does not use black garden and also gadgets, monarchs macro basicly i have the cards to make almost any deck i want i would rather go to regionals with my own creation than my lightsworn or other top tier build but the real problem with this game is alot of decks have no chance because they are to slow or combo based and it is almost impossable to stall in this format the average custom deck will get otk'ed and in sept. gale will be knocked down to 1 and darkstrike fighter will be banned and deck devestation virus is a better card than crush card in this synchro crazy format

all i can say is i hate GB's and the people th...

2009-06-26T16:58:04.746-07:00

The fact that this site even 'has' a Black...

2009-06-26T12:02:04.787-07:00

The fact that this site even 'has' a Blacklist on decks proves how ignorant it is.

A true innovator would not care for what's winning or what's cheap, etc.

A true innovator would spend their time trying to pick at hidden tech that may yield positive results in the current game as well as provide insight to all current decktypes regardless ofd Tier that can do well.

Metagame may have been ran by UDE, but at least they never attacked anything, they never condone the use of certain decks and they certainly didn't 'blacklist' any decks. It shows how you've taken the better decks, stuck up your nose and rather than dig into them to see if you can yield some interesting new tech or variation. You dump them in a bin and move on.

Thats not innovation, thats pathetic.

May I suggest that you put Crystal Beasts on the s...

2009-05-07T07:37:00.000-07:00

May I suggest that you put Crystal Beasts on the support list? I've always loved the Crystal Beasts, but they've always been relegated to the second tier, since they just can't keep up with the speed of the decks on your blacklist.

And I must say I agree with your decision to put Ancient Gear decks on the support list - my current deck is an ancient gear deck (mainly because of my tiny budget) and it plays pretty well - I usually end up winning the game by using Geartown.

The only way to run lights work to make your milli...

2009-04-27T07:12:00.000-07:00

The only way to run lights work to make your millin more consistant is run more then 25 monsters other then that to me lights worn is a sack deck and bein the fact GB have one bestiari limits the blowing up process if bestiari was at 2 or 3 the match up between the two deck wouldnt be as even at all as it is now. but GB takes Alot more thought then lights worn ok mill oopps hit garoth wuld necro get lumina pitch for garoth set royal decree and thats the game against glad beasts

wow its sad how people act over card board.

2009-04-26T13:27:00.000-07:00

wow its sad how people act over card board.

Thank you Andrew I was on the verge of posting a s...

2009-04-20T16:42:00.000-07:00

Thank you Andrew I was on the verge of posting a similar argument when I read yours. I believe you very effectively said exactly what needed to be said about this article. I personally do use a Glad deck and have seen great innovation over the course of the strategies life so far.

Bravo on a well written counter argument.

"Gladiator Beasts was an obvious choice. Not only ...

2009-04-12T22:15:00.000-07:00

"Gladiator Beasts was an obvious choice. Not only was this a less fun, cheap mans version of lightsworn, but it takes very little skill to play."

This is a pretty foolish statement. I don't play GB's (so save your breath if you plan on attacking me for that) but you're frankly just wrong.

For one, Gladiator Beasts and Lightsworn are completely different decks. LS is an aggressive swarm deck with a reverse toolbox. Gladiator Beasts is an advantage based deck with the ability to lockdown (i.e. "stun") the field. So calling it the "poor man's lightsworn" is a strange statement.

Next, saying it takes "little skill" is completely bogus, and sounds just like ranting. Gladiator Beasts take a TREMENDOUS amount of skill to play. Very few decks need to consider future plays as much as GBs.

Onto the Lightsworn:

"Glad beasts are trumping this deck and doing it on a pretty often basis...The build is too rigid to foster innovation and any true changes to the deck wouldn't count as a deck variation."

Let's not even address the grammar issue with "pretty often basis."

First, GBs are not trumping this deck often, I'm not sure where you're getting this information. At the various locals I've been to, there has been a solid 50/50 win ratio between the two.

The build is most definitely NOT too rigid to foster "innovation" either. You even list twilight as another deck, when even that is typically only 5 cards different from the "standard" LS build. There have been many different innovations on the deck, such as:

-including 3x Aurkus, my body as a shield, and solemn judgment (aka Aurkus Control)

-Teching 3x Volcanic Shell and various discards like Divine Wrath and Lightning Vortex

-Using 3x Thunderking Rai-Oh

-Using Phantom of Chaos

-Using Mezuki, Zombie Master, and Pyramid Turtle
etc etc etc

People are innovating with the deck, you're just choosing not to observe it.

"Plants also have a good number of ways to be innovative but it's hard to spot the really unique decks that don't contain Black Garden."

Once again, you're just wrong. The majority of plant decks I've come across don't even USE black garden, and the ones I've seen that do have been incredibly innovative.

"Zombies are still kicking it seems. Even though the number of players who use this deck have dropped there are the small few who are still running this...I don't see why an innovator would want to play this deck, rather than innovate something of their own which will most likely beat the regular zombie build."

The regular zombie build? That's ridiculous. There is no regular zombie build because the regular zombie build had the key cards restricted. Anyone attempting to build zombies IS innovating because they're LITERALLY "not playing with a full deck."

Finally, you have the nerve to attack decks like twilight saying "they aren't winning" but then suggest decks that use slipheed or "Trap lock-down decks?" How is a trap lockdown deck going to win against a Lightsworn deck running 5 traps? Why would you build a dark deck without using Dark Armed Dragon?

Just because you're an "innovator" doesn't mean you have to attack every player who uses Gladiator Beasts (which is one of the most interesting themes this game has ever seen), and just because you're an "innovator" doesn't mean you can make statements that are completely unsupported (Because then someone like me will point out why they are incorrect.)

Overall, this article makes me very disappointed in unimetagame. I came hoping to see insightful opinions and perspectives never seen before, and instead it's just people complaining about players who use top tier decks. Being mindless about "innovation" is just as bad as being mindless about netdecking.

"Gladiator Beasts was an obvious choice. Not only ...

2009-04-10T13:55:00.000-07:00

"Gladiator Beasts was an obvious choice. Not only was this a less fun, cheap mans version of lightsworn, but it takes very little skill to play.

If you really want to find the players that could care less about yugioh and the game, just ask them if they play Glads in this new format.

If they say yes, bingo, you found one!

To play such a rigid, boring, and cheap deck, in one of the MOST innovative formats yugioh has had in a long time, shows how much creatitivity they lack.

You won't find many adults sinking this low, as they will definitley have the cash for lightsworn; a much more fun deck that deserves it's wins."

Look at the SJC tops in GB format, then look at Tele-DAD format.
For some reason, GB format toppers have little variety while Tele-DAD format had new toppers right from the beginning, when there was no build to netdeck off either for others, perfect ground for large teams and regulars.

LS, however, almost completely rely on milling. Sure, you can go double Charge, or Foolish, etc....But in the end, much more luck-dependant than GB, for example. That's not to say those aren't.

Also, throw Soul of Purity and Light into LS and you got Light-based deck with Honest and Soul of Purity and Light.