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ja ja ja someone is pissed off!!!

2009-10-09T13:36:37.307-07:00

ja ja ja someone is pissed off!!!

"1) If the above poster actually remembered h...

2009-10-02T21:41:46.727-07:00

"1) If the above poster actually remembered history, he would remember the onslaught of glads that went on for nearly a year."

The Glad format lasted for about three months, between the E-ban of Dimension Fusion and the release of TDGS/new banlist.

"2) Then Lightsworn went on top just barely edging out glads, right when it's pack was released till teledad hit."

Glads beat Lightsworn during LODT because LS had no Charge and Glads had 3 Bestiaris for Gyzarus spam.

"3) As of SJC Orlando, The Vast Majority of decks that top 16, were Lightsworn. As of round 7, 11 of the top 20 were Lightsworn, with every other deck type numbering 2 or less..."

Glads won the first Jump of the TeleDAD format. Six Sam won during DAD Return. Crazy things can happen.

"Glads Dominated, Lightsworn Dominated , and now Blackwings Dominate with Lightsworn right behind."

Glads dominated for a relatively short amount of time. Lightsworn never dominated. Blackwings have won only their second Jump since having most of their stuff for 3-4 months and hardly dominated the tournament.

OP seems butthurt.

So basicaly if you don't want to run a konami ...

2009-10-02T08:12:34.390-07:00

So basicaly if you don't want to run a konami deck you are done!!??I deny on this I look over and over again and all that I've found is people playing "lightworms, glads and now blackwings", but what about the other cheaps decks like morphtronics they are pretty good and can be deadly if u let them run but cuz they are not the top almost anybody put an eye on it, and believe me I've seen a lot of this top decks fail horrible in front of small decks like the frogs and the batteries,but there are the other people, like me that use my own creation of beat-monarch and my original deck of ritual shinato deck, and we look not just to win we enjoy playing, and these themed decks makes the people does not want to play it makes them want to win no matter what even if have to copy the idea of somebody else...

The above poster has very short term memory. They ...

2009-09-30T00:07:13.804-07:00

The above poster has very short term memory. They also have obviously not looked at the results of our First SJC in Orlando.

1) If the above poster actually remembered history, he would remember the onslaught of glads that went on for nearly a year.

Playing anything but glads, Before lightsworn came out, was hopeless.

2) Then Lightsworn went on top just barely edging out glads, right when it's pack was released till teledad hit.

3) As of SJC Orlando, The Vast Majority of decks that top 16, were Lightsworn. As of round 7, 11 of the top 20 were Lightsworn, with every other deck type numbering 2 or less...

2 deck types versus 11 lightsworns, what an amazing ratio.

The winning deck was a small blackwing variant known as Vayu Turbo, which is 99% blackwings with Dark Armed and Dark Grephor.

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Glads Dominated, Lightsworn Dominated , and now Blackwings Dominate with Lightsworn right behind.

With all that data the above poster still says player decks always dominate over Konami?

The data is just too strong to be overwritten by one person's opinion. Konami has lead the Meta in the past and it's definitely leading the Meta right now.

You ever notice that the decks that completely dom...

2009-09-28T21:00:15.383-07:00

You ever notice that the decks that completely dominate the game (Chaos, DDT, Troop Dupe, TeleDAD, DAD Return, Cat) aren't themed?

Actually as many of you and i think is that the pr...

2009-09-25T16:51:44.825-07:00

Actually as many of you and i think is that the problem is not themed decks by itselfs is just a matter of how not to be creative, I mean the other day I saw a kid buy a entire blackwing deck and when he plays against my ritual shinato deck he failed horrible is not the deck in fact is just a matter of skill, but the main think is that if you play against any other meta deck based on luck or revolves on one single combo that leaves a felling of god why is this happening to me!!! specially lets say that you are about to win and you have the corrects cards in the field and in your hand and then puf!! a selfish Judgement dragon appears and blow all the field and reduce your life points to zero just because your opponent was lucky enough to draw the card and blam, I think that konami should pay more atencion on what type of monsters they create and I'm not talking about the yugioh monsters, just like the young boy of the other day that spend a lot of money to have a deck without any skill and any effort....

I understand completely what you mean and I apprec...

2009-09-25T14:22:51.353-07:00

I understand completely what you mean and I appreciate the input you added. Size is fine with me; the more you write the more interested I am.

I can see how you say that themes are just mediums for lazy players and if we got rid of them we'd still have lazy players playing the top decks.

I completely agree with that and understand where you're coming from.

But decks like Tele-Dad are rare really, and we'll get less teledads and cat synchro's than konami can turn out Lightsworns, blackwings, and glads.

It's much easier for them to make a very powerful theme than it is for us to think of one, that is fairly static, like teledad.

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In the end you're right about how the house is on fire and it's the lazy people in the first place that are the cause of this problem.

I just don't want Konami aggrevating the problem with powerful themes. Being that they have the power of creation, they can fudge the rules in the card text to make some really powerful and unfair builds.

What's even worse than Konami making broken decks is Konami forcing us to buy horrible deck types that get no support for years.

All and All I'm o.k with the themes dissapearing, and I can handle the communities slow rate of creation of TeleDad like decks.

Right now, we have both, and working as a team we've been up against:

1) Teledad
2) Cat Synchro
3) Glads
4) Salvo Dekoichi OTK
5) Lightsworn
6) Blackwings

That team work has to end and konami needs to leave the theme business. They manufacture too many unfair or luck driven decks.

Thanks again for your input Vman, definitely keep it coming! This site is all about discussion and communication.

Think about it, newbs don't know the rules, mu...

2009-09-24T21:32:47.150-07:00

Think about it, newbs don't know the rules, much less how to combo crap they haven't even heard about. It's easier to learn from things that come together and say "This is how the game works." This is how I got started, then when I learned how to play, I made my own decks to varying success at locals. It's not the theme that's the problem, it is and always has been the lazy people who directly copy others. I realize this may sound like I'm attacking you, but I'm not. I'm trying to focus your anger at the actual problem. To try and help you understand what I'm saying think of the old riddle: the stove is on, a lamp is burning, and something else is wrong (okay, I don't remember exactly how it goes), what do you deal with first? None of them, the house is on fire. Lazy people are the house. It seems like your too mad mad at what's being copied, not what's copying them. Back to the conversation,Whenever a theme is successful, it is immediately copied, which leads to more stuff being released for it, which in turn causes a mob asking for it o die. What happens when the copies lose? You get the exact situation that happened for GBs: They ran rampant until e-tele was released. Then the only thing played was tele-DAD. Tele-DAD isn't an archetype. It's based on a card that uses type,not namesake, and was the ONLY thing that everyone (meaning all the people that played GBs) started playing. It stayed that way for at least a year, until new cards were released. Why are the GBs hated? They were successful enough to get new cards for them (yeah, we're all looking at you gyzarus). But if being the dominant deck is the reason why they were hated, then why isn't Tele-DAD hated? It's because it was viewed as "de-throning" the GBs. There was about as much creativity in tele-DAD as there was in Glad Beasts. Archetypes shouldn't be banned, nor should more not be made. The two faults here are 1)the creators of game and 2)the people who don't want to play anything other than the top deck. I hope you get what I'm trying to say with this mountain of text: this is nothing against you, I only feel that your decision about themes is misdirected.

Your analysis of the archetypes in yugioh is full ...

2009-09-24T21:32:20.584-07:00

Your analysis of the archetypes in yugioh is full of incomplete data. You talk about how unoriginal and uncreative the decks built around these archetypes are, but you only look at a select few, namely GBeasts, Lightsworn,Blackwing, and...wait is there anything else you complain about? Not really, despite the fact that plenty of archetypes are out there that are comepletely ignored. Skull servants, Frogs, Batterymen, D.D.s, Morphtronics, even Phantom Beasts, are all archetypes, but do you discuss how broken they are? No, you only mention anything on the top, and group everything together. Yes, GB, Blackwing, and Lightsworn are completely overpowered, but they're only a small spectrum. As for matters of creativity and comboing, how many light monsters are there that are actually used other than in lightsworn? Honest, Thunder King, and other staples that would form the core of Type and Attribute themed decks. They can be played differently with entirely different ways of winning in both the archetypes and as a general theme, and the only reason why the themes get such a bad rep for being unoriginal is the same thing that would happen if you took away the archetypes: POEPLE ARE LAZY. They copy the best deck around in the hopes of winning. Let's assume the best deck was Fariy Beatdown. It is garunteed that a thousand of those decks would be running around just like today. For example, recently I played GB, but unlike the their normal control, I ran a hugely successful black garden GB. How is that original? I used other cards in combo with them. The same principle is behind stuff like zombies. They all use sombie master, how unoriginal or whatever, but they're used in different ways. Zombieworld decks, straight beatdown zombies, skull servants, skill drain zombies, OTK zombies, heck I've even seen some wierd but awesome RFG Zombies. The point is that they all share a lot of the same cards (Zombie Master, Pyramid Turtle, Book of Life, etc.), but the creativity put into them is what is translated into theme decks when someone actually puts the effort into designing a new way for them to function, just like type theme or attribute themes. The themes also help new players to the game.